Hello and thank you for doing such a thorough research. If someone can determine a gang affiliation for that image, it might be possible to determine where the traffickers were from. I see orange spray paint markings on the base of the tree further in the cave to Kriss right. Celebrity. On the far right upper right of the photo. That would account for a canopy structure being built there. Perhaps the killer of Catherine Johanet knows more, Hi, u might want to watch this vid it has theories dat i think might giv more insights to this case, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCaD8kRTwsI. Adrien McNaughton Was Surrounded by Family, He Left Behind Books He Wrote in Secret Code, The Door Was Open, and Baby Lisa Was Gone. Is there a head count of how many people have perished using the hiking trail in, say the last 10 years? And remember that the legitimate photos we have came from Juan. No chance. This connected callwas stable for roughly two seconds. The Panamanian government had requested that the U.S. deploy assets including Navy salvage divers and sonar to aid in the search effort and locate the wreckage in the days after the crash, but the request was denied due to a lack of assets and jurisdiction, according to a statement from the Velleman and Borries families. But without DNA samples, finger prints, etc, its hard to prove anything. The whole scene is odd why is Lisanne (if it was her) standing miles away? I agree. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. Perhaps someone has just hit Kris on the right side of her head and she is putting her hand up to where it hurts. One obvious question - has anybody ever found the place that is in this photograph. Possibly that info can help. For further details of our complaints policy and to make a complaint please click this link: thesun.co.uk/editorial-complaints/, The girls saved up for six months for the trip to Panama, One of the last pictures taken on a camera belonging to one of the girls, The contents of a backpack found near a river and handed in by a local woman, A foot was found still inside a boot two months after the girls vanished, Photos released from the camera showed some of the girl's belongings scattered around the rocks, And one image appears to show the back of Kris's head - possibly with blood around the bottom of her hair, Chilling photos found on missing hikers camera show mysterious final moments before girls vanished in Panama jungle, Headteacher sacked 'after sending parents a list of striking teachers' as school launches probe, Isle of Innisfree ferry: Blaze breaks out on boat carrying 183 people in English Channel as lifeboats scramble to scene. How Many Kids Does Linkin Park Have? Ive travelled through Central and South America quite a bit and these experiences cant be found elsewhere. In fact, to bring a dog for a walk is less common in general, because most dogs are permitted to go outside anytime they want. Shortly after this, they became victims. Kremers'slocked phone showed someone entered awrong PINseveral times. https://www.laestrella.com.pa/nacional/141020/of-piece-medical-studies-examiner. In fact, Im almost certain of it. Police searches have found nothing and now his mother is flying out to try to find him. The insignia looks more like a darkish skinned face peering through a narrow window and observing the girls from behind some sort of screen. I cover a lot of these things in my other comprehensive article regarding Kris Kremers Bones: There are simply too many variables involved to oversimplify the case with the conclusion that they got lost. I think the most important photos were not the daytime ones; I think the most important photos were some of the legible nighttime ones. Looking carefully at her forehead you can see theres only the shade from a pole but her face is shaded. Stop trying to read too much into it. For all that we know, it could be someone who works for the police who did this. is. After any incident the first 24 hours are critical and it seems all that time was lost. She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. Theyre also exceptionally rugged and dangerous, especially during the April-to-October wet season. On one hand, its more liberating and freeing. This girl was tortured before they killed her. The pictures taken were used to place Kris in pictures on the Mirador with Lisanne. It also contained Lisanne's camera and both of their phones. But then Im immediately confronted with conflicting evidence to suggest otherwise. Really sad story, whichever way you look. It is clear they contributed much to this by their actions. I was surprised to learn that. I think that I read somewhere that something blue was found on one of the shoes. I think that this is definitely a murder, because of the rucksack. The girls were no longer alive after April 2nd latest. However, any link that requires any form of downloads, account creation or spammy activity, to view linked content, will not be permitted. This is because people who knew the area were able to recognize that the nighttime photos were likely taken at Caldera springs, more than 20 miles from the area the girls allegedly went missing at. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. Something drastic happened it is clear but what exactly and where exactly? I also live in a third-world country about which it was said that investigations were shut down, or botched, to protect the tourist industry. I can assure you that is nonsense. And thinking its more possible that another person with a bleachbath and a Laptop/PC is wandering the jungle in Panama just shows me how little people nowadays know how dangerous the outdoors can be. He wants the gringos to go away and leave him in peace. Photo #509 was permanently deleted which takes advanced technical knowledge, plus a computer. Why no more fotos were taken after 508 on the 1st until the nighttime session on the 7/8th? The problem with the links you are providing is not that the links themselves are necessarily unsafe (they could be, but we wont test them)the problem is that ALL of your links require users to download some form of content. Perhaps the girls were lured there and that is where they met their horrible fate. Why were they still in the jungle at 4:39 PM when they made their first distress call? Shame! Was someone who's still out there responsible for their deaths? I believe that by the time this photo was taken, the situation has gone sideways. This article seems to have a crop from high resolution version of the above photo. Poor investigations and low standards are very common in these under-developed countries. News Group Newspapers Limited in England No. Despite these . when are you putting a research team together?? As you say, it might be better if you were able to lay out the photos and see how they seem to fit together. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. I must have been living in a cave and totally preoccupied with myself when this happened because I only stumbled across this via a Youtube video ( one of many) by Juan Perea Y Monsuw on Friday. The identity of the person who took the images remains a mystery. https://postimg.cc/94q0cVhH. Do you think this could be at all relevant? I believe one fell. I speculate about potential reasons. The picture people think she is looking down she is hanging with hands tied behind her back. Youtube channel backpackercoach or backpackingcoach i think, has a video called is it a cave? where he shows a section of trail that looks much like that. 1. Someone with darkish skin. This photo has been edited. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, were hiking near the town of. Lisanne would gave definitely called her mother AT LEAST ONCE because, listen to this this is from her own diary written just two days before their disappearance: Its a sect of foreign Christians that set up in the area and murdered 6 people FROM one of the local tribes. Kids in the area could have found the backpack and were just messing around with the camera. Thanks for sharing this. The women wanted to see as much of Boquete as possible,hiring a guide to showthem around on April 2, 2014. Out of the dozens of calls, only one managed to connect, but broke up after just two seconds due to the lack of reception. Same goes for the hair photo, that people think might be a portion of a previous shot. Also theres a distinct small x made of branches or plastic in the top-mid right corner of the pic amongst the foliage that looks a part of the make shift roof/net. For this websites credibility I would strongly recommend more thorough moderation of peoples comments. I know AMAZING explanition it is sad they are dead but my friend said they might be faking and Lisanne froon and kris kremer ate people to fake their bones but I think my friend is wrong. December 17, 2022. It belongs to the long green leaves we are seeing up there. Her hands are not tied. Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. This was a real disappointment, the entry continued. Trials are too costly. Fortunately, I have that ability. Those two women were wearing very little clothing to be entering bush/jungle, there is no way that theyd easily make their way through vegetation, and, as they were clearly intelligent, why would they voluntarily just walk into dense bush? After the backpack was found the family got to see the pictures and the case was ruled an accident presumably the 30 or so pics the family didnt release showed the girls in bad shape,, the case went from foul play to accident after the pics were seen.. the pic of the girls hair was put on internet by her brother or something like that and was quickly photoshopped , the wound and eye were concealed. It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? The hanging object and other points of interest you highlighted reminded me of this. As for the night pics Im going to also throw this one out there and say the photos were heavily darkened to take away what was really there in view and then the spotty weather areas were added over including the rain drops. That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me! But absolutely everything points to it being a case of underestimating the jungle and dying from exposure. one girl got hurt, i think in the fall the camera got wet and bumped. Especially the one where Kris is holding a water bottle 30-40ft from the photo-taker. Minha Querida menina. And I agree that her hands are free. There is an international consortium working behind the scenes to slowly and methodically continue the investigation. The phones showed that just hours after the beginning of their hike, someone dialed 112 and then 911. The indigenous people know how to use phones watch the Kinga documentary. There is no question thats what it is. Ive even been contacted by people in Asia. (who knows why). I would expect especially on the first day for total panic to occur and multiple attempts to be made until a decision was made to save battery strength. Maybe the girls were not so clever at tech but they did not leave voice or video memos to document their predicament not goodbye messages for family. Fact. Hi Nick, yes I would agree that the red object above is just decaying plant material. The guide had something to do with the girls disappearance. Why did they not do that? The original plan had been for them to disappear without a trace, like so many other people in that part of Panam, but when the reward money was offered, they decided to fabricate a narrative in which the two girls had mysteriously lost their way on the trail. I have read several of the books. I realize that its more interesting to make things more ominous than they are but this is a very sad case of two naive girls who were totally unprepared for their adventure and very sadly got lost, injured and succumbed to nature. These nameless trails arent monitored or maintained by park rangers. Her phone is dead. The predator is methodical. What I have not found is concrete evidence of where they went. P.S. Dimedes Abrego - 12 years in prison. Oliver, I just looked at your 1st link, and I can clearly see a human face in the red circle. Each year, around 30,000 people are reported missing in Australiaone person every 18 minutes. Our team is planning to go to Panama later this year (2021) to collect information involving the case. Btw, phones will connect to emergency services with or without sim card being present. Thanks for some new information, excellent analysis of the photo! They no longer had their phones or camera and made no emergency calls at all. Sure, anyone can do these things with a computer and specialized knowledge but with this level of competence? It looks a bit wierd, but that is just because everybody is assuming they see her upper arm when in reality is is her lower arm. I dont know what Chris means by this, but at first I thought it was a wooden post sticking up from the ground and painted white at the top. Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon were both adventurers. Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. Eventually theyll have to confront these issues or nobody will visit and expats/immigrants/investors will leave. Im not understanding why they bothered to create a cover story. ), which doesnt look natural. That photo was wiped clean from the SD card, which is a strong clue that someone deleted it after the other photos were taken. Not getting any fingerprints looks suspect. It doesnt matter. One showed Kremers with what looked like concern on her face,dated around the time of the emergency calls. If you zoom in on the picture, I noticed that her face almost seems distorted, almost as though it was swelled up? This is highly unusual. The causes of Kremerss and Froons tragic death have never been determined and the two bodies that were recovered have not even been conclusively found to be either of the girls. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9. Even at this point, I still think theres a lot that can be achieved from gathering information and further evaluating the existing evidence. Most of the bones were never found. I think that she has her hand to her ear,she looks like she is trying to hear what someone is saying,and also,the light is in her eyes;.It looks like she has twisted herself around in doing so. Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. To me, this photo says it all. The branches above her could be an attempt to hide the entrance. It isnt a cave, somebody has shown in a youtube video that it us just a very deep path on the wrong side of the mountain with a sharp turn. Accordingly, Kremers's phone was powered-on one last time on April 11, 2014; both phones wentdead afterward. Hard noncontroversial evidence is very limited and what there is is open to interpretation. The red is the sunlight shining through the dead curled leaves. If you are sending an SOS message then they are received 24 hours a day. For Composer Drew Silva, Music is all About Embracing Life. You can even see clear rods in the red areas towards the top going straight through. Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? I think someone followed the girls, caught them, killed them and brought them somewhere, hid them, so they were never found. What confuses this is that after Kriss phone dies then on the 5th during the afternoon SOS attempt a wrong pin is input on Lisannes phone and indeed continues to be input until the end. ALSO, I really want to know where and when Kris quit wearing her backpack! Since they were two young women from Europe, I can easily see the possibility that they offended the wrong man. You can even see the smudges or blurring on the bottom of the plants into the dark areas in an attempt to blend the darkness area (where something or someone was likely standing). Yes, I can see that too Chyna Lee. A piece of evidence that is irrefutable. Bringing justice to assailants that harm tourists is very often not a top priority, and it shows through the number of botched investigations. Cave photo: The phones remained active for nearly 10days after the pair went missing. This was incredibly naive but then they only just arrived.. What took them past the divide? Like so many other people I really, really wish we could find the answers to this mystery. I believe that the case was handled so poorly that it leads one to believe that it was intentionally handled as such. If they had solved the case, the international community (and the families) would have been satisfied and let it fade into history. One thing is for sure, I will never travel to Panama. Keep the ideas flowing guys. My husband is a mountain climber and when hes out, the mountain rescue flys multiple times a day because hikers overestimate their abilities in the german Alps, not anywhere in the jungle. Sometimes that is all that is found. That said, even if there is a structure there, it has been made clear that there are a lot of trails on the other side of the El Mirador that are used by the indigenes, so it wouldnt be surprising to see indications of these areas being used. Also, I live in El Salvador, less than 1,000 kilometers from Panama, which has many cultural similarities. 1 reason tourists sometimes annoy residents. There is what appears to be a well trodden, narrow path to the left of her which passes behind her and enters a very dark area at the back right, which could be the cave. Or another type of colorful animal found in the jungle? Even rainwater gets heavy enough to destroy electronics inside of a backpack yet that didnt happen. I have seen her stick out her tongue and other photos of her. Is it a reasonable number? The relationship between pets and owners is different in Central America than in developed countries. Clearly the trash on the rocks indicates it had active people. They were lost very shortly after arriving at their destination, And then they made a huge mistake by heading due north to find their way back home and they should have been going to the southeast. The 29-year-old from Stockport vanished on 14 August near a beauty spot in Panama. In a mind-blowing theory, Dick Steffens, a former detective in Amsterdam, claimed Kris could still be alive after she was trafficked into the sex trade by a kidnapper roaming in the jungle. Rest fell off of the one hour bridge in Bastrop brains and on the rocks below some photos show her dead body laying down there. That is the key. But during my time spending a year there in 2015 (at the time Id not heard of this case), I had asked around about legends within the jungle and there is in fact legends from tribes who never interacted and are thousands of miles apart which regress of some THING that comes from the sky or trees that is not visible to humans but devours then to the bone. I did not cover all of the accidents and trials and tribulations along the way leading to their death.Jim. Then consider Kris and Lisannes parents when they trekked with a group along the trail, across two streams, until they reached a field with the disintegrating fence posts and the tall lone tree some hundred meters away. This is a fake and the pixellation errors can be seen up close (the gap in the crook of her right arm is IN FRONT OF her). https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/kremers-froon/kris-gully-3composite.jpg. According to ageographicalexpert, the three-mile stretch is relatively easy to explore, and most missing tourists return without assistance or come across search parties looking for them. He drowned a short time after. If it is not possible to join those two points together then that would at least shine light on the possibility that a third party was involved at some point leading to the appauling possibility that they genuinely were lost for some time (until the 5th?) The indigenous locals that were committing the sacrifices were influenced by a villager that had recently travelled abroad and returned to his village with extremist Christian views. Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? The abductor is a deeply religious man, in his own demented way, and he sees this as a sign from God. This leads me to believe that they were followed by one or more men who made their presence known around that time. Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl. I cant say what it is, but it looks similar to an object, that can be seen in some of the nighttime photos, like in this one here. Here is the comparison: & very very eerie all in all- I think youre absolutely right on its significance. They didnt take anything with them for more than 1 or 2 hours max journey. Is there much shareable knowledge about the gang in the area? Guns are mostly for use in robberies, but these gangs prefer not to leave bullet holes its too obvious. January 4, 2023. I agree. Why did he leave them? Theymade numerous emergency calls afew hours into their hike; logs show they managed to connect only oncedue to poor reception in the forest. Why would that be? A search eventually turned up a severed foot and scattered remains, but authorities had trouble determininghow the hikershad died. When the Canon Powershot was recovered by Dutch authorites, there was a conspicuous missing file: IMG_0509. Also I have read that during the time they tried to contact emergency services one phone connected albeit briefly. Also, #509 was deleted after all of the other photos were taken, which means someone went back and deleted it after all of the nighttime photos were taken. Also, people do not give off a rosy glow from their backs, as can be seen here. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. However, I cannot say for certain because I do not know why the owner would fabricate this part of the story. The FBI and others have continuously tried to stonewall him from publicly making these cases and their bizarre circumstances publicly known. In all, the State Department says that in 2013 and 2014, a . Even the bones, the few that remain. At the beginning of this video I think I see some blue dye/paint/powder on one of the mens legs and something blue on the floor. Perhaps every murder in the first world is resolved. Theres some orange with white dots. Unfortunately the resolution is not high enough to identify any specific shapes, although it appears to contain the colors white and red. The structure at the back of this small ravine looks like a hideout that a military man might make, as part of survival training in the jungle. I think that the taxi driver knew who has killed them thats why sb killed him, the guide man who found the bones and their belongings can be the murderer and he was the person went to their room maybe to find the cable charge maybe pretending that he hadnt visited them on the reserved time, then he put their bag and money and camera for police because he was scared they search his house too, the locals heard screaming and then a crash (broken bones due to fall) in the jungle 4 days after their missing and warned about that to some french tourist, this article is long and I didnt sleep last night. But arent there the subsequent photos of Kris Kremers crossing the stream and so the developments may have occurred after this picture 505? We do not know what other clothing or items they possibly took. No accident. Perhaps it was created by locals in the region. More info here. Does anyone else see what looks like the back of someones head, their bare back and arm inside the manmade circular object? Nonsense. Perhaps that is where this photo was taken and a search should be done there. Kris has somewhat prominent cheeks and a full lower lip. This photo of Kris Kremers is identified as Photo 505. Hi JW, yes I agree with you about many things. All Froon and Kremers photos were taking with phones and a camera from six years ago, probably jpeg, with all the associated algorithm issues, let alone we have no idea of the provenance of the photos we are all seeing, I doubt any of it is first generation copies straight from the devices, and every time we copy a photo we risk changing the data somewhat. With regards to the photos, they are probably real. In May, a 61-year-old American man went missing and was presumed to have gone overboard while on a cruise through the South Pacific, according to a report from the Australian Associated Press. I am not an investigator but I find it very strange that there were no witnesses found either tourists or locals on the trail. Theyve been promised much if they deliver Feliciano hard evidence of the girls death. Thanks for the analysis though, I keep looking for new stuff, this case really gets to meI can see why people think this was a criminal act -I see that with some aspects of the case, however, I do think that it was the result of injury and or getting lost -I cant see a criminal 1) letting them keep their phones and camera and 2) letting the camera and phones being discovered. Just trying to get as many ideas together as possible, so that some clue may surface one day. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html 100 calls to 911, and NOT ONE attempted call to immediate family? 2. Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. However, Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their bookLost in The Jungle. Given that most people crop off the top of this image, people would have missed the findings that I mention below. The blue item could be anything, but shows someone has been there before. These are all similar in so many of the cases in his Missing 411 series. Regarding the photos, I have no idea why they would be taking these, deleted some later and left this one, especially since the ribbed roofing structure is somewhat obvious. There may be some evidence on its fur like fingerprintsdnaplant/vegetation etc. Should have read this before I commented lol. I think the look on her face isnt scared, but she looks to maybe be in wonder that they found a place like that? But in a country of just 300,000 people, how much tourism is too much? For one, the girls' camera had photos on it from hours after they stopped dialing emergency services. Did they each have a camera or only Lisanne? What if she was trying to get fire with the mirror and the paper? Who said there werent any scratches on the bones? Its a complex topic. I believe that the LA Times article is more informative, so Ive updated the link in my writing above. While posing with sticking out your tongue means for a Dutch native you found something disgusting, especially while simultaneously closing your eyes. If you take small part of a bigger image and blow it up to match the size/aspect ratio of other photos on the card, it will still keep the same number of pixels per square inch, but they will become much bigger. I feel that unless they do or unless further forensic work has shown something more then, no matter what the experts in survival say, it is still only speculation and not proof.
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